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Postby Chriso on Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:02 am

Has anyone bought or used the mast or boom sections from Proctor in WA?
How do they compare to the other manufacturers?

Thanks,

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Postby Mike Simpson on Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:31 am

According to the details on the Binks Marine page Proctor do not have a section that matches our measurement requirements. I strongly advise don't even think about it!

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Postby Chriso on Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:01 pm

Thanks Mike,

On this page I got the impression they had class allowable spars:

http://www.binksonline.com.au/products-sabre.asp

UPDATE

I have checked with Proctor that the sections are 65-67mm by 49-51mm amd this is class spec.




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Postby Mike Simpson on Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:01 pm

Yep! That is our standard section!
It is an Alcan section not a Proctor!
Worth checking price with John Dixon at Iecon - he is much cheaper (about $100) but not anodised and if you're in Vic you can pick it up saving freight.
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Postby A Trace of Blue - 1666 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:39 pm

Proctor are out of the UK as well.

Binks are the importer and Aust Distributor
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Postby andrewb on Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:08 pm

Could someone clarify the 'standard' boom mentioned above.

The rules state:

7.1 a. The boom shall be made from constant section round aluminium alloy 50mm diameter x 1.5, 2 or 3mm


Chriso says:


I have checked with Proctor that the sections are 65-67mm by 49-51mm amd this is class spec.

Mike then says:

Yep! That is our standard section!


So,... is the Binksmarine 'Proctor/Selden' boom class legal or not?

If it isn't who does sell anodised tube suitable for a Sabre boom?

UPDATE:

I've just called Binks & spoken to them (a sabre sailor as well so she knew what she was talking about!). The section they sell is circular, not as Chriso stated above.
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Mast & Boom Sections

Postby Mike Simpson on Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:29 am

I was of the understanding Chriso & I were discussing the mast section.

The mast & boom are distinctly different extrusions; the boom section being a simple tube in three optional wall thicknesse as specified in Rule 7.1(a), the mast is an oval shape as specified in measurements 94 & 95.

To my knowledge there is now only one legal mast section made in Australia now, that is the Comalco E11466. I am not aware of any other section that fits our parameters and would be interested to hear about any options people may know of.

I know of two Sabre mast suppliers in Victoria; John Dixon at Iecon in Bayswater stocks masts (he currently has some anodised mast sections) and also sells boom sections in at least two thicknesses; Bob Keeley in Moorabbin has masts, I'm not sure if he has booms.

Boom sections are also available from aluminium suppliers but would be 6 metres or so in length.

Unless the Binks mast is a renamed Comalco extrusion it may not comply. The SA measurer may be familiar with the legality of the Binks section.
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Postby A Trace of Blue - 1666 on Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:20 pm

OK, Here we go.

Just to save all the confusion, I did something anyone else could have done right from the start and rang Binks Directly and verified the facts.

1. The Sabre Mast Section at Binks is a Alcan K64621 (formally Comalco E11466 - but it is the same section). It just happens to appear in the Proctor Spars Section of their website, as that is where all the Spars, regardless of origin, appear - even the Goldspar Sections. This, if I understood correctly, is because that part of the business is called the Proctor Spar Shop.

2. The Boom section is a standard 50mm straight tube, annodised. This type of section is also available, quite often heaps cheaper at any good Steel/Aluminium Supplies business; you can often get a 6m section for the same price as some Yachting Shops charge for a section long enough for a Sabre boom. Again - Ring around.

3. If the guy in Moorabbin is the guy I spoke to last year when I was still living in WA. He had some interesting info on current Sabre/125/Pacer/JD Mast Sections. Evidently, there is a batch that was made up by the 125 Assoc, that a lot of places took on as stock, which were made of a different grade of aluminium to the batch he had made.

He went up a grade of aluminium to get a stiffer, stronger section, but still used the same die and therefore the same shaped section, as a lot of people were having trouble with the 125 Assoc batch sections - They were bending to easily.

Problem, His sections as a result are a bit more expensive - about $50 from memory, though may have been a bit more or less.

Again, ring him and check.

Hope this solves all the questions. The Mast sections are also readily available at Boating Hardware in O'Connor (WA).

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Postby Chriso on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Thanks Peter and Mike.

I have also checkd local suppliers and have come to the conclusion that the ability to hike for an extra 2 minutes going up hill will be worth more than paying top rates for spars when its all much of a muchness.

See you both at Elwood for the states.
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