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Hi All,
Can ayone clarify for me whether the rules state specifically – that a glass boat must emulate a ply boat as much as possible? or does it say timber (or similar) instead of ply?Craig
Hi Daen,
Thanks for not hiding your name on your post unlike the many cowardly “Guestmembers”.
I think you miss the main point. Up until now the Sabre has been restricted by the building method that must be empolyed when building a ply sabre. Fibreglass boats have been moulded from these shapes. Basically this restriction provided by the ply building method has been effectively removed by the interpretation being that if it measures it is ok. We all know that ply boats have been manipulated for years but the building method and the measurements have kept the design in check helping to keep the class what it is today.
Craig
Which Guestmeber this time?
The YMS original mould is taken from a real ply Sabre. The new moulds are identical to this mould.
This subject is not a storm in a tea cup and it will not make the YMS and FS moulds illegal due to the usual “grandfather clause”. The problem I have is not with the new FS mould and I have doubts that it will be any faster than existing boats. The problem is with the latest interpretation that allows this mould and the future moulds that will be made with this interpretaion. Previously all moulds (that I know of) were made from real ply Sabres and only faired enough to make a mould true.
Now that all a boat has to do is “measure” new boats will be made accordingly and each one pushing the limits a little more than the last until anything that is not from the latest moulds or made from ply will be considered too slow to win anything significant.I think I need to be clearer on the change. The current situation with the latest interpretation is allowing boats to be made from plugs. The previous “guestmember” is assuming a change to allow these new shapes but the reality is we need the change to stop these new shapes.
The rules have not changed, the interpretation has changed. We need a change in the rules to be clear and stop this interpretation.
CraigThank you for agreeing. We need to go to our state associations and push for this change at the national level.
The national association, SSAA, has only 6 members – the states- so only the states have the power to change not individuals. Have a vote at state level to get a motion going at the national level.Craig
This new precedent has to be stopped. The only way to do this is to only allow any more moulds to be taken from real sabres.
Mark O’Brien, You are 100% correct and that what makes the sabre so good. This new precedent has the abilty to change all that and destroy the class.By the way. The “new rules” vote was not done in accordance with the SSAA rules. I have queried this and and as you probably would guess I have not had any reasonable response. So currently they can not enforce the rules and there is every possibility they will not pass when the vote is finally put to the state associations for their members to vote on. If you want any more info on this you can message me here or email me on [email protected].
CraigHarold,
I understand that the boat measures. I am concerned what will happen to the class if this boat is faster and that a dangerous precedent is now set allowing “plug boats”. This has potential to damage the class as a whole. I say put a stop to any new moulds being made from fabricated plugs and only allow moulds to be made from real ply sabres.
The plug boat idea may work but has the potential to breed a lot of dissent. I do not think it is a risk this class should take.Craig
Good call. This is a problem as an “exit” has not been provided for in the rules. If the rules are followed correctly anything not provided for in the rules is not allowed.
Let’s make a call to only allow future moulds to be only made from existing ply boats. This will ensure only “real sabres” will be made. Nip it in the bud now before it’s too late.
Hi all,
I have been in the middle of big discussion and have had conversations, by phone and email, from many involved. What I have learned is that the new formula sail craft boat measures in. Well so I have been informed. The boat is within tolerances and emulates a ply boat. The term emulates has been a bone of contention. The emulate part has been determined by placing a strip of ply (4.5mm I believe) on the boat (or perhaps mould but am not sure on this) and ensuring the ply will take the shape of the boat. Although this method could be open to some personal interpretation i believe it is a reasonable way of determining “emulates” if done in a fair way.
Manipulation of boats is done regularly in ply but is limited by the nature of material and type of construction. As far as I know the FS boat is the first to be built entirely from a “plug” as opposed to an existing boat. In my opinion I would consider it prudent that hull moulds should be built from existing ply boats and only allow for fairing to make the mould “true and fair”. This would ensure it a “real sabre”.
If the formula sail craft boat turns out to be a superior shape, even if only slightly, it has the potential to affect the class negatively. Firstly it would render existing investments in current boats virtually worthless. Yms boats would be considered “entry level”. It also have the potential piss to off a lot of existing boat owners leading to mass exodus from the class.
Allowing a hull mould to be built from a plug sets a dangerous precedent and I would guess that no professionally built mould would ever be built from a boat again. Based on what I have learned I doubt that the FS boat would be significantly faster than anything currently available. But saying that I believe something should be written into the construction rules only allowing future moulds to be taken from existing “real sabres”.
I will admit my financial interest here. I have just taken a step to allow amateur builders to build frp boats by purchasing a complete sabre mould. This mould is going to be available for hire at a reasonable rate to amateur and professional builders (solely at my personal discretion). This mould is the current YMS design and is built by Brett from YMS. It will only be available to WA builders as I expect demand will not allow it to leave WA.
